20.1.2002

Yukteshwarji:

Om . . . Om  . . . Om

Pranaam Bacchon.

Meher Baba:

Baba ni meher che sarvo per.

Pranaam Baba

Kem cho mota mai ?

Sari kani. Thank you ji.

Bhooli gaya ?

Naji ji.

Manay to bhooli giya.

Nahi ji nahi.  Hoo roj vaat karooch tamari sathay.

Vaat karech. Nay taybi mahari sathay ! Nay hoo to behro ! (everyone laughed)

Nahi. Suchai thi, mahara bhanvama tamahroo naam hamesh aavech. Roj aavech.

Kaalay mahari saathay baraaber vaat karjay.

Bhalay ji

Ketlaa vaagay ?

Tahamay manay kehvo.

5 vaagay ?

Jarroor - jaroor. Hoon to roj 5 vaagay besooch.

Moti mai manay tamaari saathay jaroori vaat karvich.

Hoo besus nay tahmay vaat karjo.

Kem chokra ?  Too kyaray vaat karsay ?

Hoo aapooch ?

Haaji - I hope.

Chokra, taaro jay anderno svabhav che nay, tay tanay behro karech. Aain je ekaj aavech - tee tara man ni ander che tay aavyaaj karech -  tema Baba soo karay. Kaalthi badhhi exercises paachi saroo kar. Ek  kay  ek.

 
OK ji - Baba including 'what am I' ?

Baddhi -ek kalaak to laagsay

OK Baba

Tay tanay kaarvo  parsay

Karas ji

Vari em naa keheto, kay manay  time  nahi  maliyo.

Nahi Baba jaraak bi nahi.

Vakhat bahoo ocho che.  Avay taaroo kaam too kyaray saroo karsay ?

Haa ji Baba

Aai badhoo jay thaaech ni, tay chokra, aai mun no dur che, kay hoo ai kaam kari sakash kay nahin ?

Pun chokra, kaam to HOO karvano chaoo.  Too shoo kaam karsay ? Ek mahina ni under kaam saroo thavoo joiyay.

Ok Baba, please be with me.

Aai evan-nay kaho kay tamaari saathay dar roj ai jay dar che tay door karay.  A-nay maalum che, kay ai ek dur che tay kevo che.  Ay tanay samjaavi shaksay

Koi nay kai savaal poochvoch?

Baba, ekaj savaal poochooj ji - Garmi maatay some . . . Baba there is some imbalance  Baba.

Ganoo  imbalance   che.

Even with your child Baba, what . . .

Jay che, tay taara  . . .  thi saroo thaaech

 
Nay taarij saathay khatam thasay.

Athawismi aei  Baba  . . .  mari sathe gaari ma rejo ji.

Taaray saathay dikraa hamesha  besooch - ek dum sar saraat gaari jasay.

Thank you Baba

Baba manay ek personal question poochvoj. . . . temay writing ma mahari saathay aavoch, tema hamesh 'Mear' 'Mear' constantly aai shabda aavay che, tay tamaroo naam che, kay shoo kehva maagoj,  manay nathi samaj partoo.

Aray chokri - too jem manay naam thi bolavech tenoo hoo tanay spelling apooch. Maharoo naam che  M e h e r.   teno bi  . .  nathi bolvano. Kainahi. Jay too naam aapay tayj hoo boloo

Meher Babaj kehooch, tobi 'mear' aavech.

Too to  'mear'  Baba  kahaych,  tay hoo 'mear' baba  kahooch.

Santosh che, kay tahmej cheo Baba,  thank you.

Hoga.  Samai nickat hai. Hoga. Lekin jo 'dor' pakri hai aapnay haathmay, wo chho deejiye. Jab godhay ko bhaagnaa hai,  to aap godhay ko pakar laytay hai. To bhaagega kaisaa? Bechna to hai, lekin, yeh mun dor o chhodta hi nahin. pakad rukhi, hi bus, bechna hai, bechna hai, bechna hai, bechna hai, .Chhod de haath. Haathko khoola kar hriday ko khol do, aur mun may jo iccha hai, ki bus itnaa paisa aanaa chahiyay, unkochhod de.  Ha, paisa to jaroori hai, lekin ek savaal oothta hai - ki kiskay liyay jaroori hai  aur kitnaa ?  Haath khoola kur, dor chhod de.  samai nikat hai.

Baba, mahara father ni tabyat maatay no prashna che, anay bijoo life noo work maroo soo che, enay maatay no prashna che

 
Tabiyat to evij rehevani. Eno kai nivaro nathi. Pun em na samaj ke je evan per amna gujrej ema kai faido nathi. Kai faido dekhato nathi. Pun emne je tu sickness kai ne, teno faido chhe. Tabyat to evij rahesay.Ha  avay pooch taaro bijo savaal

 
Ahmnaa nahi.  Tahri jindagi mun tu gaharay gayeech. Badhay badh thi gharay gayeech. Tanay rasto dekhaatoj nathi. Nay ahmna rasto khojva no samay pun nathi.  Ahmna to samai che, badhha baharna rasta band ane ma ek ander no rasto khulo. Taharoo mun etloo jordar chhe kay ander no rasta nay badhha rastao per tala maari didhaach. Chaavi to bus taari paasay che, baddha tala torvaana. Ai kaam to bus taru chhe. Pachhi jojay. Tanay baddhoo dekhasay. Jay baddhoo karu dekaich, tay khooli jasay.

Baba ek saal pahelay mujhe chot aaei thi lekin aaj bhi kafi dard hota hai.

Ghee ni ander lasan garam kari nay peesee nay, tay lagaaro. Deevas ma tun vakhat, ek mahina ver.  Saaroo thai jasay.

Baba, ketli vakhat tamhari saathay besi nay vaat karoo choo pun em laagaych kay maharoo mun to munay nathi khaali e kartoo, kharaykhar tamay mahari saathay vaat karo chho ?

Oh mahari dikree ! Tanay laagyaach karech - Javaa day. Emaj samjni kay Baba bolaych kay maharoo mun? Munay khooshali to lafech. bus.

Khooshali to gani laagaych.

To bus - bus - to savaal oothoj nathi.

Hoo ek personal question poochoo saheb ?

Hoo 'saheb' kem thai gayo?  Aray ahmnaa ver to 'Meher' ooto !  Chaal, pooch

.
Baba, ekaj request che. Jaraa mahari Computer System per tamaro haath feravya karo saheb !

 
Chokra ! Pehllay gaari, pachi Computer, kai bijoo to pooch !

Havay ghoro bhoro to nathi - bus e 2 cheej nayj khaatar

Bijoo kai leto naa, nahi to Baba nay badhoo ghanoo sikhvoo parsay

 Baba, while you are at it, jaraa your child's Computer also !

Kai chamatkaar kari nakho Baba.

Pehllay Baba sikhsay.  Baba nay emaa kaiij maalam nathi.

Khaali ek tamaro haath fervo . .

Chaal ni too kahej to Baba besi jasay eni ooper.  Bus. Pachhi saroo thai kay nahi Computer ni ooper aadhaar.  Pun Baba to besvana Havay tay Babanoo patlo

Baba, tamay mahara Computer ma already chhev.

 
Havay ooper besas.

Kem ? Baba good mood kyaray nathi hoto ? Bus tari saathe koi koi vakhate good mood mun nathi hota.

Baba ni meher chhe sarvo pur!

Thank you Baba - thank you Baba

Jade Fire :

Good evening children

Good evening Sir.

The Master answered you all in a light mood. We hope we can continue.

We hope so too Sir ! (everyone laughed)

 Did he put you also in a light mood Sir ?

Mood? There is no mood…..HUMOUR.  He is the Master that deals with his sheep with humour. Crook in one hand and crock of humour in the other is his way.

 Sir, may we be permitted to take a photograph during this session?

 
Sir nodded .

 Sir with a flash is OK Sir ?

Sir one more thing we wanted to ask - can your child sit on the stage and Sohrab & I as the 2 pillars can we be down Sir?

This is my son (Sohrab’s) decision.

Sir, if you need to walk….

If my child needs to walk, we will inform this child (Roxanne) and she will guide her.

Thank you Sir.

We are happy that soon our work to further places will start.  (to Sohrab)  Son, you are now ready to start on your work as a medium. And you must start in a small circle of those with whom you are comfortable. The time is not long before this child will not be available at every meeting because she will be away. Within the next 12 months you must be completely ready to address the whole group in the absence of
this child. You will initially start with a small group and then when you have reached a level of confidence, we will permit you to co-jointly address this meeting, so that the meetings continue even without the presence of this child.

Sohrab: Thank you Sir, please guide me. I don't feel ready but,. . .. .

You are completely ready my son.  All that is now required, is to build up your self-confidence and for that, a     small group of those you feel close to will help. Ask them, to be open to the vibrations of the meeting, so that they can truly and correctly guide you when your own mind enters. And do not worry my son.  At present, you are not going to be delivering earth shaking truths,  so even is you own mind enters, which it will at times, let it pass.   Do not hold on to that as a failure. It is only a stepping stone to be passed.

 
We are now ready to discuss the subject of the day as you desire.

I would like to know about illusions that are here on this planet. How can one know them for they are and how can one live their lives consciously aware of them?

Illusion is everywhere. When you see this room around you, you are seeing an illusion. When you see this child, you are seeing an illusion. When you touch the chair that you are seated upon, you have felt an illusion. When your senses dear one, limit themselves to the experience of only the 3-dimensional world, you are living in an illusion. The reality is one and one alone. And that reality is the reality of SOUL.  All else is illusion. This body that is given so much importance by you is the greatest illusion that you have played upon yourselves. Our efforts to try and make you transcend the physicality of all around you is only due to that. To urge you to look beyond the illusion and to see, and touch and feel and experience and 'be' what is real. If you are able to look at a physical presence and see the presence for what it is, and yet not consider it of any significance, and try to look beyond the insignificance, you have made your first step towards trying to overpower illusion. When you hear the harsh words spoken to you, and you are able to, with your physical senses hear the words, and then find them of no importance to them, and then look beyond the harshness to the pain of the soul within,  you have been able once again to overcome illusion. If you are able to hear the flattery and the praise that another heaps upon you, and be not moved but be able to look beyond the praise to the conditioned mind from which the praise resulted, you have once again been able to overpower illusion. Illusion is a trick of your 3-dimensional world.  When you communicate only by word, and thought loses importance, you get fallen into the trap of illusion.  True communication, correct communication, without any misinterpretation, can only be the communication of thought, because the reality is that there is only soul.  Soul is light, light is energy, and thought is energy. True communication moves through like so that is no distortion at all. Words also have an energy, but their energy is dense, far denser than the energy of light and the soul. When fine energies are forced to change and become dense energies of the word, then there may be distortions present. Very often we have told the group before; distortions also arise when we communicate with you through the spoken word of this child. But if the distortion is minor, and will not take you completely away from the truth we allow it to pass without a correction. But when you listen to the truth of the words or read the truth of the words, if you have been able to overcome illusion you will be able to discern the slight distortion which has taken place.

If reality existed in a form that is real to us, and not illusory as is to you, you would, my child, very easily be able to see us and our energy.  When Guides, Councillors and Masters come before you, their fine higher vibrations have to be controlled and brought down in pace to the dense vibrations of your world. It is impossible to do this completely and that is why not every one is able to see us. But for those individuals whose vibrations have risen to that level where we have brought vibrations down, those souls will be able to see and hear and communicate with us.

To transcend illusion is not easy, because your mind from birth to birth has been conditioned to live within this illusion.  If this conditioning were not present, as said earlier, you would not be able to survive in a strange land that you were not used to. Yes, this earth that you find so comfortable is a strange land of illusion for your 'soul'. Your soul comes from the realm of realism, comes from a realm of unbounded energy. It comes from a realm where energy flows at paces and vibrations which the human body would not be able to take. When a soul is trapped within the human body, it must be able to handle its illusory form. If the soul had complete memory of the world of realism, the soul would not be able to live within an illusory world either in its own body or the world beyond. But does this mean that you as souls should be content with illusion? Does this mean that you should take this as an excuse, not to transcend physicality? No! Your very process of growth, dear ones, is this. By the process of growth, you are to become aware of what is illusory and what is not. And this awareness brings with it a strength and a growth which enables you to look beyond the illusion.  When each one of you watches and is completely engrossed in a movie
that you are seeing, for the 3 hours that you are in your seat, you seem to be lost in this illusory world of the screen. But as soon as the lights go on, once again you are able to look away from the illusory world into the world of what you consider reality. This is the exact process that the soul should follow. Your process of spiritual learning means that the lights have gone on. The darkness and the theatre have disappeared and it is time for you to leave that seat in which you were so comfortable all these hours, and to move away from the illusion outside into the world
of reality.  It is as simple and yet so difficult, because the conditioned mind has to be re-trained to look into places it has not seen before. It has to be coaxed to hear words unspoken; it has to be urged to feel what is not 'tangible'. It has to be forced to experience what is unknown and new. The conditioning of the mind cannot be broken easily. It requires from you a conscious deliberate decision, taken co-jointly by all three parts of your being. And the decision is that "I will be able to dispel the illusion and look only at reality". You will make this decision and you will falter again and again. And every time you falter, your decision should be made anew. How do you implement this decision?  The moment you wake up in the morning and your feet touch the earth, you will look at the tiles and the stones and see that, acknowledge that, and then look beyond at this wonderful spirit of the Mother that is within the Earth.  As you walk out of your bedroom, be aware of your physical surroundings completely. Let your physical mind take in and acknowledge the presence of each and every article of possession that you see around you and then re-condition your mind into knowing, that all of it is illusion.  You do not need the bed to sleep upon, you do not need that television set, you do not need the cupboard and the vault, and you do not need what lies within them.  Yes, enjoy them to the fullest.  But if you wish to overpower their illusion, also acknowledge to the fullest that they are here today
and you will enjoy them BUT you ARE ABLE to see their ILLUSION and let them go as easy as they came.   As you go on through the day and you eat your breakfast, look at the food in your plate and experience the illusion of taste.  What is taste? Nothing! A small group of what you call 'taste-buds' centred at different parts of your tongue play such an important role to you.  And you will insist on furthering this illusion by eating only what 'tastes' good. If you have to overpower this illusion, once again, experience to the fullest the physical illusion of 'taste' and ENJOY this experience. But if you wish to overpower it, you must also be aware of whether what you are putting into this physical body will HARM  your 'soul', your true essence, in any way.

( cassette was changed and so a part of the discourse was lost)

……which the physical body was not built to handle. When your physical body gets worn out, due to this effort of staying abreast with your illusions, spiritual growth is hindered or cannot take place at all. So the experience of taste can be overpowered by eating what is what is good for the soul and not what tastes good to the tongue.  When we ask you to eat what is good for our 'soul', we again urge you, never take any steps
suddenly.  Do not deliberately leave out from your diet something that you truly crave for. Yes, you are craving for the illusion, but remember, dear ones, suppression, deliberate suppression, of cravings encourages the illusion and does not dispel it. The only way that one can dispel the illusion is to truly, from within the true essence of your being, acknowledge and recognise the illusion of what you eat. Slowly, but surely this acknowledgement will itself push away from you that which
is harmful.

 
As you continue and dress up to face the day, see the clothes that you wear. And yes, for many of you, try to be aware of the time you take to decide what really makes you look good. Whenever you tell us that you do not have time, we will now ask you, did you not have the time to stand before the mirror and spend those minutes that made you assured that you looked what you thought good, to your eyes. You spend a lot of time on such illusions.  Once again enjoy the clothes that you have.  But be aware that they are not real. After all what do clothes cover - you use one illusion to cover another illusion. How futile that sounds doesn't it?  And yet how important it is to you!  Yes dear ones, enjoy your clothes, but do not make them to be your treasure trove. Do not continue to keep hoarding the illusion. Wear what is comfortable; what makes you feel good and do not pay so much attention to the external validation of what you have worn. Recognize the illusion of the clothes that you wear. And as you go through the day and interact with people, you will find that some will be harsh, some will be indifferent, and some will be loving and friendly and recognise all that for illusion. Harshness is not real. It is the illusion that results from the conditioning of the mind. You have already been told about how the mind is conditioned by previous pain and this conditioning results in harshness. If you have to overpower the illusion of the harsh word, meet the harsh word with the only real emotion that exists and that is 'love'. Meet all words with love. Whether they be indifferent or abusive, or loving. And yes, when you hear a loving word, once again do not permit your conditioned mind to fall into the trap of illusion. How easily you are fooled into things by the use of loving words. How quick you are to believe another's words if they are garbed in flattery. How gullible you become if words are used generously. Look for illusion behind such words, and if your conditioned mind can be made to rest, your soul will certainly inform you whether the gentleness, the love, the flattery, the praise is truly the product of the soul or is only the result again of a conditioned mind. During the day you will also look around and see what displeases you. So often all of you have complained about what you call the 'evil' in our midst. Lies you consider 'evil', corruption you consider 'evil', violence you consider 'evil', killing you consider 'evil'. And yet, there is not 'evil'. So when you see ugliness around you, see the illusion of the ugliness. And acknowledge that what you see outside appears ugly, because your soul has not been able to open itself up enough to be able to look beyond the ugliness to the soul that lies within. Judgement is your greatest threat in furthering illusions. Your media furthers all illusion and you readily believe what you hear, what you see and what you read. There is only ONE who can judge truly and discern the thing lying between illusion and reality and that ONE resides within you this physical illusion. In order to overpower all other illusions, you have to first transcend your own physicality and its illusion.  Only then, ONLY THEN, can you move beyond to the physicality and the illusion of what lies outside.

Questions?

Sir, you mentioned that our minds are conditioned. Who conditions our mind and at what stage is our mind conditioned?

Son, we will keep your question waiting for a while.  If there are no other shorter questions, we will start answering this one, because it is a question whose depth must be given full acknowledgement.

Are there any other shorter questions that we can take?

 
 No Sir, please go ahead.

My son, from the moment of initial separation when you as a Spark of Light separated from the greater spark and decided to experience physical form, the spark of light that separates is made to undergo a process of vibratory changes. As a spark of light, your vibrations were the highest possible and moved with the speed of light. In order to take a dense physical form, the vibrations of this spark of light must change. We will not go into this process of change, because once again, that will be another meeting by itself. But you were made to undergo a process of vibratory changes that took from within itself higher vibrations, through them outwards to merge with the vibrations of the light, and then changed its form, so that dense vibrations could live within.  Once the vibrations reached a certain level, where physical matter can be enveloped around it, the process of what you wished to experience, then started. The initial process of experience is left very, very simple because the mind has no pre-conditioning at all. The mind is in its purest form. It is clean and empty of all conditioning. The very first experience into a physical body is made extremely simple and it doesn't start with the human form. Gently this spark of light goes through different physical forms and then when it is ready, takes on a human evolution. By this time, my son, the soul has experienced several experiences of a non-human world. These experiences have developed the soul enough to take on a more complicated form of the 3-fold being. Once again, your first birth as a human form comes with the mind that has NO pre-conditioning at all. All experiences of a non-human have been assimilated into the soul and merged into its growth.  The mind comes with NO pre-conditioning.  Again in its first human birth, the soul is given a simple task to experience.  As is done always, this experience and its life-course are charted out, along with its Councillors, Guides and the Masters.  Although the lifetime is simple, because the "Veil" comes over the physical mind  and  does not permit the physical mind to have a recollection of the spiritual, the 'soul' will, perforce, experience vast experiences of the physical mind. In its first birth, my son, the pre-conditioning comes at the point of birth itself. The moment of birth, the moment of entering into a completely alien environment in a human form, itself starts the process of conditioning.  What the infant feels, are experiences impressed upon the clean and pure mind.  The process of conditioning has started. These impressions do not leave the mind or the soul EVER.  Remember what we have said. The mind is the intellectual part of you. These impressions are your memory bank.  As the infant grows, and co-habitates with those around, the 'veil of forgetfulness' gets extremely thick.  It is essential to remember dear ones, that the 'veil' gets marginally thinner with every birth experience. The initial birth experience has an extremely dense veil. It is this dense veil that permits the impressions to be etched upon the mind deeply and firmly. The second stage of conditioning is taken on up the parents and the environment around the child as it grows. The conditioned mind of the parent will now begin its process of 'training' (you like to call it 'discipline') of 'disciplining' the child into ways and beliefs that the parents hold dear. So the second stage of conditioning begins in this way. As the child grows completely and reaches a maturity that permits him to make his own decisions without external help and validation, the third stage of conditioning begins. As decisions are made and acted upon, the child, the soul experiences from the outside, reactions to the decisions. Again these reactions, pleasant and unpleasant, are impressed upon the mind.  The mind is now completely conditioned. And every subsequent birth that this soul will take, will come with this 'memory bank' already present. In subsequent births there are two specific kinds of re-conditioning.  One - the pre-conditioning that comes with the impressions that lie within the memory bank and   the second -are the new impressions that are etched upon the memory bank in this birth itself. The 3 stages of conditioning - the infant, the child and the grown adult remain the same with every subsequent birth. All feelings, all emotions, all experiences, remain in the memory bank and cannot be erased. With every subsequent birth the memory bank grows larger and larger and as the memory bank grows larger, the 'soul' in its endeavour to evolve, dips into its memory bank in order to bring out those experiences which the soul decides with the help of the Guides, it needs to re-learn or learn better.  If there is an unpleasantness involved with an experience, which has then resulted in the formation of FEAR which is also lying in the memory bank, the soul may decide to bring up from its depths this experience and to 're-live' this experience in the same form or in a different form in another lifetime in the future so that the soul, due to its evolution process being on, may now be able to face the experience and transcend the fear.  That is the job of the conditioned mind.  And that is 'conditioning'.

Sir, may I ask you one question on this? You said that we start conditioning at the time of birth. What about the time when we are still in the 'womb' - does not the child . . .

That conditioning, my dear one, will start with subsequent births and not the first one.

Sir, also talking about the various experiences that we keep building up in our memory banks, do we actually have to experience every single thing or can we just learn it by . . . .

Not necessary. When we, my son, say that you have to experience what has been passed, we certainly do not mean that you need to have the same experience again. Oh no. But you might in fact merge different experiences that you wish to learn, merge them together and come up with a life course that will give you only one experience that is the answer to all. Very often, when some ask us, 'what do I need to learn from all these different experiences that I seem to have?’ we seem to give them only one common answer. Sometimes it is strength, sometimes it is tolerance, sometimes it is overcoming the fear of love. And yet the experiences, my son, seem so varied and so different. The reason is that out of all the experiences that you had in your memory bank, all seem to come to one common factor. And what you are trying to learn is not the experience itself, but the common factor behind the experience. That is the purpose of your life-course.

 Sir that would also show up on your astrological chart?

Most certainly, if done correctly. The astrological chart is an extremely powerful tool in your hands. And there is a reason for this. Once the soul decides to take a birth again and it has dipped into its conditioned mind and its memory bank it then looks for THAT moment of birth which will give it the experiences it desires. Just as your planet has its own vibrations, so also all planets, all spatial bodies, all universes and all galaxies have their own energies, which will certainly influence you.  Therefore you choose that moment of birth that, in conjunction with all these energies, will give you the 'personality' that is required in order to experience the common factors.  When we say personality do not confuse this with characteristic traits.   Characteristic traits in the course of birth after birth are taken by the soul and there they remain. A personality is taken by the soul for THAT lifetime ONLY.

 
That is why you once asked about the High Lord. Do you recall? And we told you that his characteristic trait is ASSERTION. The Master who came before me, has 'HUMOUR' as his characteristic trait.

 
Characteristic traits remain with the soul. The Soul evolves around them. Personalities change with birth. And the astrological formations and positions of planetary bodies encourage such development of personality.

Sir, I want to figure out, at a very mundane level. You have your astrological aspect, you have who you are born with, the people around you and their astrological charts.  Sir, what sort of Computer have, how do you work all this out?

That is why my son, it takes a long time to plan a life-course. A decision to take rebirth is not done in the snap of an eye. There are Councils of Guides who are appointed for only this task. Your Guides MUST co-jointly with other Guides decide, whose fold will be merging with you in physical life. All Guides must come together.  All life-courses then MUST go up to the Council of Masters. The Council of Masters study the life-charts laid before them again, very minutely. Each Master has in his fold several, several souls and therefore you can understand that the Council of Masters has all the souls in their fold. Each Master individually will study the life-chart of the souls who are in his care. And then co-jointly study all life-charts with the Council of Masters. Very often a life-chart is rejected and sent back to the Guides for re-consideration. The Guides must then once again start upon the planning process with the Soul. But at this stage if the Soul is obdurate and insistent upon its chosen life-chart, neither the Guides nor the Masters can now reject it. There are very, very, very few occasions, when the Guides and the Higher Soul will insist upon certain life charts. This is done ONLY when the Guide and the Master realise that if not for their insistence, the Soul would not consider a path of evolution, due to some great fear. Once again the decision to take birth or not, is left very, very often to the Soul's wish. But when progress is required faster, so that the life-chart of the soul, which the soul has chosen over its entire evolutionary period, when THAT life-chart is in danger of not being fulfilled, the Guides MAY, again in very, very rare instances, overcome the desire of the Soul.

My son, this child of mine has very often told you of the memory she has as a Soul of being angry and walking out of what she considers a room.  She has got a memory of when within the womb, she desired to stop the process of birth and another larger being, which she has not been able to recognise, forced her into birth. This is one such rare instance that we spoke of.  The birth of this child had to be done very, very quickly without giving her physical Soul enough time to once again be overcome with fear. Child, she did not go through the nine-month process at all. In our search for a mother we found one who had past links with her and who permitted her body to be used in such an unusual manner. She permitted this, only because through such an unusual birth the unpleasant karma between the two would also dovetail and be given the opportunity to dispel.  It is this memory that this child lives with. And this being that she sees, is her Higher Soul and her immediate Guide, who were with her every step, refusing to permit her to move away from what was chosen. The memory she has, of an angry moment in what her mind has associated as a room, is that moment, when the Guides revealed to the soul, that re-birth in physical form must be taken and was necessary for her evolutionary process.  Her evolutionary process had stopped due to Fear. Her memory bank is filled with experiences with one common factor, which she has lived through again and again and again and has not been able to overcome. That one factor is the FEAR of her love being rejected. And in this lifetime from birth itself her life-course was charted so that it is filled with those who will turn away from her so that she can see the illusion of these experiences and become strong in the reality of love. It is only in such rare circumstances that such decisions are permitted by the Masters and such decisions, my son, cannot be made by the Guides. They cannot be made by even one Master. It must be the entire of Council of Masters who has to determine that such a step is essential.

Why does a soul need to take birth in a deformed way whereby it causes hardship for everyone around?

Once again, my son, such a decision is taken co-jointly by the Council of Guides. Remember, my son, it is never the decision of one soul alone. No life-course ever is. Why does a soul decide upon such a life-course? There are two distinct reasons for this. Sometimes the soul has a vast number of karmic debts which it has to fulfil with certain other souls. If those souls with whom it has debts to fulfil have certain lessons that they wish to learn and experience which can be learnt by them through a deformity adopted by this soul, the soul will take upon itself this hard life situation through which the others involved are permitted to experience what they desire. In undertaking this, the soul fulfils and dispels karmic links. The second situation is when, and this situation occurs, again, very, very rarely, is when a soul undertakes a life of full deformity but in one area of life has complete what you call 'genius'. What is genius? It is nothing but a very strong focus of spiritual energy in one area. If a soul wishes to accomplish some very large mission, that is for the good of the community in which he lives, it will permit itself to be bound in a body that is so completely deformed, so that all spiritual energy of its soul can be focussed in one area, through which his soul emits its light outwards.

Sir what is moksha in regards to this?

Moksha cannot be attained through deformity. Moksh is the ultimate level of evolution. It was once asked whether deformity permits a soul to evolve quicker. And if you recall, we had very firmly said 'No'. It is merely another life-course that is chosen and like all life-courses, it may or may not result in further evolution of the soul.

I know you said that our astrological charts are as important also but when a child is in the womb and by some accident the mother has to abort . . . . .

No accident !

But if she doesn't carry the child for the full 9 months . . . If the child is born before the 9 months are up does it make a difference to the astrological chart?

Why is the child born at that time? Why is the child meant to be born at that moment? My dear one, do you think that the charting of the life course stops with conception? Charting of the life-course NEVER stops. Yours is still in progress.

Sir, would it be the moment of conception or the moment of birth for the Chart?

The moment of birth.

 Sir, what about twins?

Twins are souls who have opted to come together in order to fulfil a joint mission.  

 Their charts are similar?

Their charts are completely different. Because they are two distinct souls.

Sir even Siamese twins?

All souls. Siamese twins, dear one, is a deformity. Please remember that they are not souls in two bodies. It looks like two.

 
Sir what is the purpose when a child is born and the baby dies after 1 month?

That dear one is only meant for the mother and the father and the few others around to have an experience that is chosen. The soul has no life-course. It has merely aided another with whom it has past strong links, to learn this. That is all.

Sir, you talked about astrological charts. But don't we also have in our galaxy . . . the milky way which has millions and millions of stars that exist. . ..  how would they influence us Sir ?

Every star, every planet, every galaxy and every universe is made up of energy. So energy will flow freely and outwards. The closer you are to that energy force, the more will be its influence upon you. The farther away the energy source, the force by the time it comes and reaches you has ebbed, and so its influence will be marginal.

Sir, one question Sir. This has been bothering me for a while. Sir when you say we are all parts of the same Spark, but Sir are Sparks still being created?

You are a Spark of one Light.

So are sparks still being created or was it one shot at one time?

Of course they are still being created. Otherwise you would not have your plant energy, insect energy, fish energy, animal energy.

Sir the end is still very far off, isn’t it? (Everyone laughed)

There is no end, just as there is no beginning.

I know, thank you Sir.

Sir, I would like to know, it's a personal question. . . . strange image on the  . . . one of the brighter . . .I don't know which one.. . . there is this ribbon like thing . . Sir I was wondering if it's my mind or . . .

We will permit this child (Roxanne) to answer that one question.

Go in peace and Light.